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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/2009/08/04/creation-and-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The distinction between your views (polytheism and pantheists) and the God of the Divine Canon is like night and day. It is summed up in this statement



&lt;blockquote&gt; For it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



It was the false promise of becoming a god in the Garden of Eden, that led to humanities demise and their fallen status. The Scripture begins with the fall , and concludes with the redemption from the fall , by Word of God made flesh laying down his life for us. 

Throughout the scripture we find Israel being judged for their delving into polytheism.

Today there are still traces of the ancient serpent religion all over the world. The Pharoah&#039;s wore crowns adorned by two serpents.

Some of the language used in the account of the fall is figurative, which only becomes obvious when you read the major prophets. In that trees represent Kingdoms, Beasts represent Empires, fruit in some ways relates to your obedience and your actions.

In my mind Adam was a Federal Head as it is through his offspring that we find the Human Lineage of Christ the Son of God.   

The Period of time from Adam&#039;s immortal State to one of a fallen mortal is not clearly defined. 

Taking the account as a literal 24 hour period tends to cloud our understanding. 

Christ is called the second Adam in the epistles, and when we see his miracles and authority over the elements we begin to grasp what Adam lost by his diobedience.



&lt;blockquote&gt;1Cor 15:54  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



&lt;strong&gt;The resurection is the glorious hope of the scripture , for then only shall we be reinstated to Adam&#039;s former state.&lt;/strong&gt;



&lt;blockquote&gt;Joh 11:25  Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:&lt;/blockquote&gt;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The distinction between your views (polytheism and pantheists) and the God of the Divine Canon is like night and day. It is summed up in this statement</p>
<blockquote><p> For it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.</p></blockquote>
<p>It was the false promise of becoming a god in the Garden of Eden, that led to humanities demise and their fallen status. The Scripture begins with the fall , and concludes with the redemption from the fall , by Word of God made flesh laying down his life for us. </p>
<p>Throughout the scripture we find Israel being judged for their delving into polytheism.</p>
<p>Today there are still traces of the ancient serpent religion all over the world. The Pharoah&#8217;s wore crowns adorned by two serpents.</p>
<p>Some of the language used in the account of the fall is figurative, which only becomes obvious when you read the major prophets. In that trees represent Kingdoms, Beasts represent Empires, fruit in some ways relates to your obedience and your actions.</p>
<p>In my mind Adam was a Federal Head as it is through his offspring that we find the Human Lineage of Christ the Son of God.   </p>
<p>The Period of time from Adam&#8217;s immortal State to one of a fallen mortal is not clearly defined. </p>
<p>Taking the account as a literal 24 hour period tends to cloud our understanding. </p>
<p>Christ is called the second Adam in the epistles, and when we see his miracles and authority over the elements we begin to grasp what Adam lost by his diobedience.</p>
<blockquote><p>1Cor 15:54  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>The resurection is the glorious hope of the scripture , for then only shall we be reinstated to Adam&#8217;s former state.</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Joh 11:25  Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Charlatan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlatan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The earth was created in seven days, literally. If it took longer then there would be more people on the earth, as it works out exactly to the two and a half times table for population growth. If there were neadrathals walking the earth, and they spread, there would have not been the remnants of Noah&#039;s ark or the sum of Adam and Eve and their friends, but rather the world would be more populated by that.

If the earth were created and evolution true, there would be creatures walking around that are not evolved, as only a segment of earth&#039;s creatures evolve each few thousand years.

As evidence of the great flood being a myth, look at fresh water fish. It takes millions of years for a fish to evolve into a fresh water fish, and there have not been millions of years since the floos, as the flood only happened a few thousand years ago, yet there are fresh water fish that still survive, that would have died if thrust into alt water, as was believed.

Back to evolution, there was no big bang as that requires heat... from... from what? If there was nothing then there would be nothing, so there was alwyas something. Nothing came before our universe, it was the starting point, like looking at the starting point of a line, point a or whatever. So seeing as how there was no heat to cause a big bang, and the fac that there is no driving force insdie the universe pushing everything outwards, well no force known, it must be a pull force pulling our universe out and bigger. Of course does not exist outside our unverse, as He is everpresent, meaning he is in all places at once. Being based on energy - electrically - he is inside our universe, and so is heaven. I could show you heaven with a microscope, as being everpresent, if you look at it small enough, you will see heaven. Now I don;t know wht it looks like, but I do know it is very small to us, as it is spread out over a very large area. That is what souls are based on, electricity. What is absent when we die? Electricity of course, our nervous system stops delivering signals and our brain ceases o function, but, it does live on, as that energy spread across the universe into the everpresence that is heaven or hell, or whatever else there might be.

The world was created because God wanted it to be. There is no way for a atmosphere to form unless it was guided that way. Look at the moon for example, that shoudl also have an atmosphere, but we have an atmosphere because tress and plants contribute to it, and they wouldn&#039;t be there without an atmosphere to keep the carbon dioxide and oxygen in, so, they must have been created at the same time, creation. How else would an atmosphere come to be? How come there is no atmosphere on any other planet around us, colder, hotter, whatever. Creation.

Man was created because there is a distince difference between the pigments of the people of earth. It is hotter in the near east than in Africa, yet, the people there are paler then in Africa. Then look at the Jewish people, distincly paler than thier neighbours. For this reason I assert, seeing as how there is no appearance of a God called Yaweh or Jehova in other areas, that different people were created by different gods, each to their own, as they all have such different cultures, so either the Christian God did not feel like revealing HImself to all the other people, a vast majority, or there are other creators. If there is one God, why not another, and another? The book of Daniel of Samuel, I am not sure which, refers to a god of chariot for example, that gave &#039;them&#039; victory in war. Another god that has power? Not the devil? Sounds like there could be more gods to me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The earth was created in seven days, literally. If it took longer then there would be more people on the earth, as it works out exactly to the two and a half times table for population growth. If there were neadrathals walking the earth, and they spread, there would have not been the remnants of Noah&#8217;s ark or the sum of Adam and Eve and their friends, but rather the world would be more populated by that.</p>
<p>If the earth were created and evolution true, there would be creatures walking around that are not evolved, as only a segment of earth&#8217;s creatures evolve each few thousand years.</p>
<p>As evidence of the great flood being a myth, look at fresh water fish. It takes millions of years for a fish to evolve into a fresh water fish, and there have not been millions of years since the floos, as the flood only happened a few thousand years ago, yet there are fresh water fish that still survive, that would have died if thrust into alt water, as was believed.</p>
<p>Back to evolution, there was no big bang as that requires heat&#8230; from&#8230; from what? If there was nothing then there would be nothing, so there was alwyas something. Nothing came before our universe, it was the starting point, like looking at the starting point of a line, point a or whatever. So seeing as how there was no heat to cause a big bang, and the fac that there is no driving force insdie the universe pushing everything outwards, well no force known, it must be a pull force pulling our universe out and bigger. Of course does not exist outside our unverse, as He is everpresent, meaning he is in all places at once. Being based on energy &#8211; electrically &#8211; he is inside our universe, and so is heaven. I could show you heaven with a microscope, as being everpresent, if you look at it small enough, you will see heaven. Now I don;t know wht it looks like, but I do know it is very small to us, as it is spread out over a very large area. That is what souls are based on, electricity. What is absent when we die? Electricity of course, our nervous system stops delivering signals and our brain ceases o function, but, it does live on, as that energy spread across the universe into the everpresence that is heaven or hell, or whatever else there might be.</p>
<p>The world was created because God wanted it to be. There is no way for a atmosphere to form unless it was guided that way. Look at the moon for example, that shoudl also have an atmosphere, but we have an atmosphere because tress and plants contribute to it, and they wouldn&#8217;t be there without an atmosphere to keep the carbon dioxide and oxygen in, so, they must have been created at the same time, creation. How else would an atmosphere come to be? How come there is no atmosphere on any other planet around us, colder, hotter, whatever. Creation.</p>
<p>Man was created because there is a distince difference between the pigments of the people of earth. It is hotter in the near east than in Africa, yet, the people there are paler then in Africa. Then look at the Jewish people, distincly paler than thier neighbours. For this reason I assert, seeing as how there is no appearance of a God called Yaweh or Jehova in other areas, that different people were created by different gods, each to their own, as they all have such different cultures, so either the Christian God did not feel like revealing HImself to all the other people, a vast majority, or there are other creators. If there is one God, why not another, and another? The book of Daniel of Samuel, I am not sure which, refers to a god of chariot for example, that gave &#8216;them&#8217; victory in war. Another god that has power? Not the devil? Sounds like there could be more gods to me!</p>
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