<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/"
	>

<channel>
	<title>Christian Debate RSA &#187; South African Prophets</title>
	<atom:link href="http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/category/eschat/south-african-prophets/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates</link>
	<description>Christian debating forum</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 06:21:42 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<language>en</language>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
		<item>
		<title>A Vision in the Night</title>
		<link>http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/2009/07/22/a-vision-in-the-night/</link>
		<comments>http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/2009/07/22/a-vision-in-the-night/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>maninmirror</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Secular Chronology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[South African Prophets]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Christianity Today]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/?p=669</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Late last night (21/07/09) as I was starting to doze off after a period of silent meditation  I had a vision. In my minds eye I saw a  Armoured Miltary vehicle , this disturbed me as I wondered if it meant some type of trouble in our country. I thought &#8220;what now&#8221;  as I have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late last night (21/07/09) as I was starting to doze off after a period of silent meditation  I had a vision.</p>
<p>In my minds eye I saw a  Armoured Miltary vehicle , this disturbed me as I wondered if it meant some type of trouble in our country. I thought &#8220;what now&#8221;  as I have had visions in the past and seen them come to pass.</p>
<p>Eventually I dosed off and this morning as I started to wake up I heard three words  &#8220;Baron&#8221;,&#8221;Hertzl&#8221; and &#8220;Man&#8221;, this revived my earlier vision as I had asked &#8220;what does this mean&#8221; at the time.</p>
<p>So today I started to search the net for a connection to the words. This I found which now identified what the vision meant. However my attempts find a miltary vehicle image resembling the one in the vision was fruitless.</p>
<p>It could be a mobile rocket launcher as some looked similar.</p>
<p>I now believe the State of Israel is in imminent danger of  a suprise attack that will be devastating.<br />
 </p>
<p>The connection of the three words and the vision along with the article in the link below ,which is about the formation and proposal of a homeland for the jews.  It also has the some history of  how the state came into being, and who the baron was. (See Wikipaedia &#8220;Baron Herzl&#8221;)</p>
<blockquote><p>Isa 29:7  And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision.</p></blockquote>
<p><ins><a href="http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/The-Jewish-State.pdf">The Jewish State</a><br />
</ins></p>
<br /><div style='text-align: right;'><a style='display:none' href='.' onClick='CleanPrint(); return false' class='button' title='Print page'><img src='http://cache-02.cleanprint.net/media/pfviewer/images/CleanPrintBtn_white.png' /></a><a style='display:none' href='.' onClick='CleanPDF(); return false' class='button' title='PDF page'><img src='http://cache-02.cleanprint.net/media/pfviewer/images/PdfBtn_white.png' /></a><a style='display:none' href='.' onClick='CleanEmail(); return false' class='button' title='Email page'><img src='http://cache-02.cleanprint.net/media/pfviewer/images/EmailBtn_white.png' /></a></div>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/2009/07/22/a-vision-in-the-night/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>0</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>PROPHECY OVER SOUTH AFRICA APRIL 2008</title>
		<link>http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/2009/01/11/prophecy-over-south-africa-april-2008/</link>
		<comments>http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/2009/01/11/prophecy-over-south-africa-april-2008/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>maninmirror</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[General]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[South African Prophets]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Prophecy]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/?p=70</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[PROPHECY OVER SOUTH AFRICA (INCLUDING BECHUANA AND NAMIBIA) by DANIEL (A MESSIANIC JEW) &#8211; APRIL 2008, JERUSALEM (Note: this is not a verbatim transcription)   I spent last night like in a pregnancy.  It is strange for a man to have a pregnancy.   I have a pregnancy of the Holy Spirit for South Africa, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Arial;">PROPHECY OVER SOUTH AFRICA (INCLUDING BECHUANA AND NAMIBIA) by DANIEL (A MESSIANIC JEW) &#8211; APRIL 2008, JERUSALEM</span><br />
<span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">(Note: this is not a verbatim transcription)</span></span></p>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br />
</span></span><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> </span></span><br />
I spent last night like in a pregnancy.  It is strange for a man to have a pregnancy.   I have a pregnancy of the Holy Spirit for South Africa, Bechuana and Namibia:  It is released today and you will take it back to their country.  You will see signs and wonders.  I want to share what I saw over your nation.<br />
 <br />
I saw a map.  South Africa is on the map.  South Africa, Bechuana and Namibia are <strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">one</span></strong> geographical unit in the heavenly.  There is another geographical map in the heavenly. South Africa, Bechuana, Namibia and all those little places, are all one for the Lord.<br />
 <br />
The battle of South Africa (and Bechuana, Namibia) is in the heavenly.  It is a PRIORITY for the Lord.<br />
 <br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">First point of Prophecy</span></strong>:  I saw another picture.  I do not want to offend. It is of blacks (natives) in a boat.  South Africa is like a boat.  The boat is shaking and the natives are being thrown from place to place, from side to side.  They are little &#8211; like small children that are falling from side to side.  Why do I see this picture?  I do not want to offend, but I must speak what the Lord says.  God sees the situation of this nation:  they are like little children going from side to side (being tossed (suffering). But He will stabilize the boat, so that they will not fall from side to side. He will let them stand on solid ground &#8211; on the rock, which is Jesus Christ!<br />
 <br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">Second point of Prophecy:</span></strong><br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span></strong><br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;"> I have three scriptures for South Africa:</span></strong><br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span></strong><br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">1.  John 10:10 &#8211; &#8220;The thief comes only in order to steal and kill and destroy.  I came that they may have and enjoy life, and have it in abundance (to the full, till it overflows)&#8221;.</span></strong><br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span></strong><br />
This scripture is for SA and it is from the Lord:  Satan, is the thief, that steals, kills and destroy in your nation. I felt it very strongly.  The Lord says it is finished!  First half of text is going to be fulfilled. (Stealing, killing and destruction) The rest will now be fulfilled: I have come that they may have life, and have it in abundance, in fullness.  South Africa must bless all Africa.  It will be fulfilled.  The boat will stop shaking.<br />
 <br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">2.  Prov. 6:31 &#8211; &#8220;But if he is found out, he must restore seven times [what he stole]; he must give the whole substance of his house [if necessary - to meet his fine].&#8221;</span></strong><br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span></strong><br />
This Word is for the Body of Christ in South Africa.  It is speaking of the thief &#8211; Satan.  He must restore seven fold and give up the substance of his house.  The Holy Spirit says this verse must be PROCLAIMED all over SA! You must come to the enemy and say: &#8220;Each thing that you have destroyed in my nation, that you killed, caused destruction, you must give seven times much more. You have authority from Christ to command it and demand seven times restoration.  It is very important for your nation. Proclaim it!  You will see the fulfillment of this!  And we declare it as the truth for SA, in the Name of Jesus!<br />
 <br />
God will move in a mighty way in South Africa, in the Body of Christ.  And no one will stop Him!<br />
 <br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">3.  Mark 16:15-18 &#8220;And He said to them, Go into all the world and preach and publish openly the good news (the Gospel) to every creature [of the whole human race].</span></strong><br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">     16. He who believes [who adheres to and trusts in and relies on the Gospel and Him Whom it set forth] and is baptized will be saved [from the penalty of eternal death]; but he who does not believe [who does not adhere to and trust in and rely on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] will be condemned.</span></strong><br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">     17.  And these attesting signs will accompany those who believe:  in My Name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new languages;</span></strong><br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">     18.  They will pick up serpents; and [even] if they drink anything deadly, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will get well.</span></strong><br />
 <br />
This is a promise of the Lord to the Body of Christ in your country:  it will be fulfilled in your nation in 2008 to 2009.<br />
 <br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">Daniel interrupts and prays thus:  </span></strong><br />
 <br />
&#8220;I break any religious spirit in the Name of Jesus Christ! I break the chains of the mind!  I proclaim liberty and freedom in Jesus&#8217; Name!&#8221;<br />
 <br />
The Word of God is powerful. When God says something He will fulfill it! God WILL fulfill it because it is for His glory and His kingdom and the Lord loves SA!<br />
 <br />
The Holy Spirit tells me to say that South Africa has blessed Israel for two generations.  God will pour blessings upon your nation.  I am obedient to the Holy Spirit.  It is something fresh.  From Jerusalem I am proclaiming it.  Thank you Jesus!<br />
 <br />
You must proclaim and spread this prophecy!<br />
 <br />
You will see fulfillment of John 10:10 and Prov 6:31. But please command it and send it via email all over the Body of Christ in South Africa.  The Lord says it is enough!  I didn&#8217;t steal from you. Go to Satan and DEMAND it!   Each piece of ground that has been stolen by Satan, he must give seven times!<br />
 <br />
Each person who has left South Africa  will return, bringing back seven others.<br />
 <br />
The land, and everything stolen will be given back!  You must go to the enemy and demand it! Go to Satan and proclaim God&#8217;s Word.  God&#8217;s Word is a sword.  When you come in holiness and purity, and you demand it, Satan MUST give it.  SA will see fulfillment of this.<br />
 <br />
The Holy Spirit is telling me to say something new:  South Africa, Bechuana and Namibia  will not come to the situation of Rhodesia.  Yes, the Lord it is Rhodesia, not Zimbabwe.  For Him it is Rhodesia.  It is from the Lord. You will see it will not come, for South Africa is very important to the Lord.<br />
 <br />
<strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">And now the last part of the Prophecy</span></strong><br />
 <br />
While we were ministering In Austria, we met many people from SA, living in Austria and Germany.  The Lord sent an elderly woman, 70 years, to me, with a group of women.  And it was very strange, for the Holy Spirit kept saying to me to say : &#8220;Ma, ma, ma ..will be coming back to SA.  And I said to her, &#8220;What is this &#8216;ma?&#8217;  She said &#8216;ma&#8217; is mother in African. The Holy Spirit showed me that a lot of believers from your nation in the rest of the world will return:  The Holy Spirit will speak to believers: &#8220;Go to your nation.  Your nation is not Austria, your nation is not the UK, your nation is not Germany.  Your nation is South Africa.&#8221;  An army of believers will return to SA.<br />
 <br />
On 12 March 2008 I saw a vision in Austria for SA: the vision was of a Cross:  The Lord is putting this Cross in the land of South Africa.  The Cross is put in a strong way in South Africa.  No-one can move it.  It is like deep in the earth of SA.  It is towering over Africa.  The top of the Cross is in North Africa.  The Cross is of gold and fire.  Streams of gold and fire are running inside this Cross.<br />
 <br />
And then I saw the sky is opening above your nation.  Black clouds are going out from your nation.  I saw the sky is opening and I saw white clouds, white.  The Holy Spirit is moving above your nation.  I saw hundreds and hundreds and thousands of little eagles flying over South Africa. They are flying from the Indian to the Atlantic Ocean.  From side to side.   It is the fulfillment of the promises that the Lord has promised to your land.<br />
 <br />
Your land is going to walk in signs and wonders, word of wisdom and knowledge, prophecy, inner healing, physical healing. And through those signs, the natives will come to Jesus!  They need healing and He is going to heal them.  God will move among the natives, they will destroy their idols and they will come to Jesus.  The Lord is faithful.<br />
 <br />
God will open up the gift of signs and wonders. South Africa is a land of the WARRIORS.  When SA walk in signs and wonders it will not only be for the glory of Africa, but for all the nations of the whole world.<br />
 <br />
See the fulfillment of the promises of God.  And it is powerful!  Break the chains of your minds!  The power of the Holy Spirit to perform miracles, is released when chains of mind are broken.<br />
 <br />
Daniel declares LIFE on this prophecy, that it will start in 2008 and no one will stop it!<br />
 <br />
He prays: &#8220;Thank you Lord for stabilizing the boat.  Thank you that the blacks will not be shaken from side to side. They will stand upon the ground, upon the Rock, and the Rock is Jesus Christ!  And Lord, please have mercy upon the white people.<br />
&#8220;I, Daniel, Israeli Messianic Jew from Jerusalem, release from the heavenlies armies of angels &#8211; millions and millions and millions of angels upon your nation!  Upon each white person, their houses, property, and possessions!  Warrior angels so that Satan can not come to steal, destroy and kill.  I put a wall of fire of the Holy Spirit round each believer and those not yet believers.<br />
 <br />
Come, Lord Jesus, with Your Holy Spirit and baptize this nation with and by Your Holy Spirit.  <br />
 <br />
Let the Fear of the Lord be upon each one who wants to leave South Africa.  Let the Lord speak to each one: &#8220;Do not leave! I will protect you and bless you. I need you in this country!  I will bless you in this country!&#8221;<br />
 <br />
I must shout this word of God, because it is so powerful! We seal it by the Blood of Jesus!  So that the enemy cannot steal that which does not belong to him!<br />
 <br />
Bless it to this nation in Jesus Name!</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br /><div style='text-align: right;'><a style='display:none' href='.' onClick='CleanPrint(); return false' class='button' title='Print page'><img src='http://cache-02.cleanprint.net/media/pfviewer/images/CleanPrintBtn_white.png' /></a><a style='display:none' href='.' onClick='CleanPDF(); return false' class='button' title='PDF page'><img src='http://cache-02.cleanprint.net/media/pfviewer/images/PdfBtn_white.png' /></a><a style='display:none' href='.' onClick='CleanEmail(); return false' class='button' title='Email page'><img src='http://cache-02.cleanprint.net/media/pfviewer/images/EmailBtn_white.png' /></a></div>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/2009/01/11/prophecy-over-south-africa-april-2008/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>9</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>The Visions of  Siener</title>
		<link>http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/2009/01/11/the-visions-of-siener/</link>
		<comments>http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/2009/01/11/the-visions-of-siener/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 09:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>maninmirror</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Siener Van Rensberg]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Prophecy]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/?p=63</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[ (What follows in this excerpt is highly controversial, it reflects a mindset of  the  Afrikaners in the early  20th century.  I have added this post for those who are intrested in events that occurred in the past.  Some of the terms used in it are derogatory and may offend sensitive viewers.  So please keep an [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;"><strong> <span style="color: #ff0000;">(What follows in this excerpt is highly controversial, it reflects a mindset of  the  Afrikaners in the early  20th century.  I have added this post for those who are intrested in events that occurred in the past.  Some of the terms used in it are derogatory and may offend sensitive viewers.  So please keep an open mind when reading this.  </span></strong><span style="color: #ff0000;"><em>With the current  economic fiasco that occured recently in the USA  and the threat of an imminent Climate Change disaster there may be some validity to this boer&#8217;s  (Afrikaans speaking South African)  visions of the future. )  <span style="color: #000000;">The Admistrator of this Site.</span></em></span></p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;"><strong></strong> </p>
<p align="center"><strong>CHAPTER 24.</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>The Seven Plagues of England</strong></p>
<p>The vision of the seven &#8216;thunderclouds&#8217; is one of the most alarming regarding a series of disasters which will hit England, and which has only partially been fulfilled. According to resources at my disposal, there are more than 20 direct references to these strange and fearful events. The Seer predicted that the seventh-and last-plague will finally spell the end for England when the Boers have regained power in South Africa.</p>
<p> Van Rensburg has never doubted that England&#8217;s ruin would be caused by crimes she committed against Afri­kaner women and children during the War of Freedom. He once said to a friend: &#8220;Every time some great world event happens, women and children are murdered, fol­lowed by retribution. Did Pharaoh also not order the mid-wives to kill all newborn male children? And the punish­ment that followed was that he and all his horsemen were drowned in the Red Sea&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p> In this context he referred to 1 Samuel 15:2-3:: <em>Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amekk did to Israel, how he had laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amekk, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass&#8230;</em></p></blockquote>
<p> Mr. Boy Mussmann wrote to Mrs. S.M. van Tender in 1949: &#8216;&#8221;Oom&#8217; Klasie says he &#8216;sees&#8217; a multicoloured pig standing in a well in England and it is so hungry that it is licking against the walls (Famine and scarcity of water). It will probably die from hunger and thirst when the struggle is at its worst here in South Africa. There is also a pot of fire in Russia (civil war) and then &#8216;Oom&#8217; Klasie sees the grass catch alight in England-the start of civil war. (Possibly this could indicate another major flare-up in the long drawn-out conflict between England and Ireland).<strong><br />
</strong></p>
<p>England has not experienced any famine since the old Boer prophet saw that vision, and will only take place when &#8216;a very dark period&#8217; breaks out over the Afrikaner. Distressing times also lie ahead for the English here in South Africa-some will flee &#8216;in confusion and despera­tion&#8217;, others (white Angora goats) will side with the Boers while others (goats) will take up arms with the Commu­nists against the Boers.</p>
<p> Boy Mussmann (1947): &#8220;When Jan Smuts&#8217; detectives wanted to arrest me at Vryburg because of the Seer&#8217;s vi­sions, one of them asked me: What does the Seer pre­dict-what is going to happen here?&#8217; I replied: We will get a republic, but prior to that times will be dark for us.&#8217; The detective said: &#8216;Yes, it will be financial trouble.&#8217; However, I replied: &#8216;No, the Seer said he saw the peach tree changes into a cypress-the tree bearing fruit (golden pounds) be­comes a luxury article tree. Gold pounds will disappear and will be replaced by notes, and when die coming war is over, you can paper the walls of your house with English banknotes as they will be worth less than wallpaper&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p> This vision still awaits fulfillment since the Seer announ­ced it. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;Oom&#8217; Klasie saw pigs (English statesmen) running across a dam wall to go and drink water. But when he looked again, he saw the dam was almost empty and the pigs wallowing in the mud.&#8221; (England will experience ex­treme financial problems). </p>
<p>Boy Mussmann (1960): &#8220;&#8216;Oom&#8217; Klasie saw a well in Eng­land. Someone is pouring yellow water from die well on to the grass, but the water runs back into the well. The bot­tom of die well comes up and it is dry.&#8221; This is the start of England&#8217;s ruin because of betrayal (yellow water). The traitors come from within their own ranks (The  bottom of the well comes up and it is empty<strong>). </strong></p>
<p><strong>Ironically enough, it seems this treason will take place when South Africa is fighting her final struggle for survival. This is followed by England&#8217;s surrender to starving in­vaders from Africa who (as they did against white South Africa) were there to demand their rights.  The </strong><strong> </strong><strong>Seer held several in-depth discussions about this extraor­dinary vision of &#8216;the seven plagues of England&#8217; with a few intimate friends:</strong></p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<blockquote><p><strong>&#8220;I see a woman decorated with ribbons (a symbol of the English nation). Then I see the ribbons unwinding one by one until she is totally naked-and eventually I see her die. This means that in time England will lose all her posses­sions and colonies&#8230;&#8221;</strong></p></blockquote>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>(This part of the vision has already been fulfilled).</strong></p>
<h1>The First Plague</h1>
<blockquote><p><strong>In time to come matters will go badly, said Van Rensburg. I see seven black clouds in the sky and raindrops begin to fall. A man in a grey suit (somebody divine) appeared and asked me whether I had seen the clouds, and I replied yes, I saw two clouds in the east, west and south, but only one in the north. Then the man said to me: &#8216;Those are seven disasters God is going to send over England which will destroy it&#8230;&#8221; Then Van Rensburg remembered the vi­sion of the woman covered in ribbons.</strong></p></blockquote>
<h2>The Second Plague</h2>
<p>He tells that when he was imprisoned in the Fort in 1914, one night he saw how a Rebellion officer stood in a well with him (great trouble). However, there was a ladder in the well and he (the Seer) stood with one foot on the first rung. Simultaneously he saw the grass in England catch alight (civil war) and the flames are high, then disappear, and the country looks like a harrowed field after ploughing. Then a multicoloured pig stood in a well (England in dire straits) and it was licking the sides of the well. It seemed unable to get out. Some aloe stumps lay across the well (The British government was attempting to hide its prob­lems from the rest of the world). The pig is very hungry, an indication of a great and terri­ble famine in England in the future.</p>
<p> When he saw this, he knew immediately that their group in the Fort would be rescued from the troubles of the Re­bellion and its consequences-being the thousands of pounds demanded from the rebels by the Government. But there was no rescue or salvation (ladder) for the multi­coloured pig, indicating England&#8217;s downfall, also econom­ically: </p>
<blockquote><p><strong>&#8220;I saw pigs running across a dam wall. The dam becomes empty and a large bird sits on the paving stones beneath. A small bird comes flying along but is immediately swal­lowed up by the large bird.&#8221;</strong></p></blockquote>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<blockquote><p>He interpreted this as follows: &#8220;The dam is America who intends lending money to England, consequently England will be financially ruined.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<h3>The Third Plague</h3>
<p>Famine and hunger will come over England and during that time great herds of black cattle (people from Africa and India) will enter the country from the east. One beast will stop and look back, indicating from which quarter the danger will come; all the coloured races from England&#8217;s colonies will go there, resulting in racial conflict-for Af­rica and the Orient will be suffering and desperate hordes of sick and hungry Indians and blacks will seek refuge in England and other parts of Europe.</p>
<p> </p>
<p><strong>The Fourth Plague</strong></p>
<p>He sees this as a pot with fire underneath. Normal pots stand in England and France, indicating civil wars, but a huge cauldron, with a glowing fire, stands in Russia, indi­cating a large-scale civil war. Then Germany and America attack Russia as allies.</p>
<p><strong>The Fifth Plague</strong></p>
<p>The Seer relates how, during WWI, he saw how the Brit­ish fleet attacked Germany at Jutland. He saw Kitch­ener dying there and the British fleet looked like scale-dishes on the water. &#8220;This means they clashed, but were found to be too light&#8230;&#8221; But he saw the future British fleet as empty boxes, floating without direction. They are use­less and without direction, for: &#8220;What nation can fight if it is experiencing civil war and famine?&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>The Sixth Plague</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>He told Boy Mussmann: &#8220;I see a man on a black horse riding into the water. I see him as clearly as I&#8217;m seeing you and the water is splashing over him. Horse and rider disappear under the water. &#8220;England&#8217;s military force will meet the same end as did Pharaoh&#8217;s horsemen who pur­sued the Israelites in the Red Sea.</p></blockquote>
<h4>The Seventh Plague</h4>
<blockquote><p>He told Boy Mussmann: &#8220;I see a multicoloured pig. Taking the pig by its legs, I overturned it. And that is our (the Boer nation&#8217;s) contribution to England&#8217;s down­fall&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p>(During the first decade of this century it was general knowledge in a certain part of the Transvaal that a church minister pronounced a curse over England just after the end of the War of Freedom (1899-1902). Allegedly his words were: &#8220;What you did to our women and children, the same will be done to yours.&#8221;).</p>
<p><strong> </strong><strong>The last plague to hit England will be as a result of strong action by the Boer nation.</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong>The answer to the question: what is this &#8216;action?&#8217; can be deduced from other visions and their interpretations. On 29th September 1919, Van Rensburg saw thousands of blacks and English fleeing South Africa to England to seek refuge after the struggle in which the Afrikaner regains his freedom.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong> </strong>But once the black hordes arrive in England, its economy will collapse and the country will finally be ruined.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong> </strong>Mr. Johannes Gagiano also pointed out to me the inter­esting fact that the Seer spoke about the &#8216;seven plagues&#8217; which would mean England&#8217;s ruin; plagues which-ac­cording to <em>Die Burgher </em>of 13th July 1940: &#8220;spells punish­ment for the enemy.<strong> </strong></p>
<p>Van Rensburg saw that plagues would infest England and it seems as if they would all occur on the same day.&#8221; Revelation 15 also mentions the &#8216;Seven last plagues&#8217; which would mean the end of modern Babylon and usher in this dispensation:</p>
<p><strong> Compare this with :</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Revelation 18:8: <em>Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire; for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her&#8230;</em></p></blockquote>
<p><strong> </strong>Then he saw three women dressed in black (mourning). They were an English woman, a German and an Afrikaner. Then the Afrikaans woman said to the English woman: &#8220;I wept, now you are weeping.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong> </strong><em>(&#8216;According to his friend and descipk, Mr. Boy Mussmann, &#8220;Oom&#8217; Nicolaas van Rensburg&#8217;s prophecies for his people and country end here&#8230;&#8221;)</em></p>
<p><strong> </strong><strong>Europe Becomes Black</strong></p>
<p>Mr. HJ. Dreyer of Senekal sporadically corresponded with the Seer about his visions until his death in 1926. However, it was only during the 1940&#8242;s (and as Ossewa-Brandwag supporter) that Mr. Dreyer published these vi­sions and their interpretations in <em>Die Volksblad.</em></p>
<blockquote><p><strong> </strong>Vision: &#8220;White-backed oxen (America), led by a small boy are hauling wagons in Europe. Then there were red oxen (Communists) with two white-backed oxen (Amer­ica) led by a little &#8216;Kaffir&#8217; (Africa)&#8230;&#8221; Van Rensburg re­marked about the two boys to Mr. Dreyer: The little &#8216;Kaf­fir&#8217; is a weaker, less intelligent leader as a boy and would al­ways be beaten in every aspect by the other boy.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong> Interpretation:</strong> In Europe the whites were always the rulers and they enjoyed strong support from the well-wishing Americans.</p>
<p><strong> </strong>However, things will change drastically when Africa be­gins to overrun Europe and black Communists (as here in South Africa-compare next vision that follows) take over temporary power in Europe with America&#8217;s help.<strong> </strong></p>
<p>In conjunction with this, Van Rensburg wrote to Mr. Dreyer: In South Africa there are also two boys-one white and one black. The latter has an old sack around his waist (the conditions of the blacks will be critical). The two begin to fight-trouble between white and black, and right from the start the white boy gets a deadly grip on the black one so that he loses his sack and is naked and the black boy flees in a northerly direction (from where he came).</p>
<p> On 29th September 1919 Van Rensburg had a similar vi­sion and he gave a precise indication where the &#8216;destina­tion&#8217; of the little &#8216;naked Kaffir&#8217; would be.</p>
<p><strong> </strong>According to what he saw, such a great depression would come in Europe so that England would lose everything in the process. Even America would be in no position to render any assistance to save the situation and when it with­draws from Europe, thousands of hungry and destitute &#8216;Kaffir&#8217; from Africa stream there:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong> </strong><em>(A shop stands in Europe, but there are no people in it, and people with wagons loaded with rubbish flee northwards. Many white-backed oxen appear in Western Europe and when they disappear, lit­tle naked &#8216;Kaffir&#8217; run North).</em></p></blockquote>
<p> </p>
<p align="center"><a href="http://www.vaandel.co.za/our%20english%20page.htm#Voice"><strong>http://www.vaandel.co.za/our%20english%20page.htm#Voice</strong></a></p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<br /><div style='text-align: right;'><a style='display:none' href='.' onClick='CleanPrint(); return false' class='button' title='Print page'><img src='http://cache-02.cleanprint.net/media/pfviewer/images/CleanPrintBtn_white.png' /></a><a style='display:none' href='.' onClick='CleanPDF(); return false' class='button' title='PDF page'><img src='http://cache-02.cleanprint.net/media/pfviewer/images/PdfBtn_white.png' /></a><a style='display:none' href='.' onClick='CleanEmail(); return false' class='button' title='Email page'><img src='http://cache-02.cleanprint.net/media/pfviewer/images/EmailBtn_white.png' /></a></div>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/2009/01/11/the-visions-of-siener/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>12</slash:comments>
		</item>
	</channel>
</rss>

