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	<title>Christian Debate RSA &#187; Climate Change</title>
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		<title>We are Struggling against the wrong people</title>
		<link>http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/2009/11/12/we-are-struggling-against-the-wrong-people/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Friends Here is a great analysis by my friend Emily Spence “The Choice Ahead”  http://www.countercurrents.org/spence111109.htm  in which she refers to the Australian economist Michael Bond. His analysis should be obligatory reading for all of us http://www.eveoftheapoc.com.au/Downloads/DebtVsGrowth.html http://www.eveoftheapoc.com.au/Downloads/TheFatalTrap.htm The upshot is that oil and food are both now in jeopardy and with it much of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Friends Here is a great analysis by my friend Emily Spence “The Choice Ahead”</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.countercurrents.org/spence111109.htm">http://www.countercurrents.org/spence111109.htm</a></p>
<p> in which she refers to the Australian economist Michael Bond. His analysis should be obligatory reading for all of us</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eveoftheapoc.com.au/Downloads/DebtVsGrowth.html">http://www.eveoftheapoc.com.au/Downloads/DebtVsGrowth.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.eveoftheapoc.com.au/Downloads/TheFatalTrap.htm">http://www.eveoftheapoc.com.au/Downloads/TheFatalTrap.htm</a></p>
<p>The upshot is that oil and food are both now in jeopardy and with it much of what we love. Get yourself an electric car and a garden – that seems to be the message. Now we have a study of how the worst polluters are spending huge sums to sway politicians, to an extent that is impossible for the rest of us</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/revealed-polluters-fear-tactics-on-climate-20091105-i091.html">www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/revealed-polluters-fear-tactics-on-climate-20091105-i091.html</a></p>
<p>OUR ACTIONS SHOULD NO LONGER BE AGAINST POLITICIANS, BUT AGAINST BIG BUSINESS AND THEIR BOARDS OF DIRECTORS &#8211; PERSONAL AND DIRECT.</p>
<p>John James Please forward this newsletter to your friends and encourage them to join the mailing list at :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.planetextinction.com/planet_extinction_newsletter_subscribe.htm">http://www.planetextinction.com/planet_extinction_newsletter_subscribe.htm</a></p>
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		<title>A FUTURE THAT CANNOT NOW BE STOPPED</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>maninmirror</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A FUTURE THAT CANNOT NOW BE STOPPED This analysis examines the reasons, and estimates a timetable. We know the facts, but how to get them to people’s attention? The UN leader Ban Ki-moon has warned that many of the more distant scenarios are “happening now”. The gaseous emissions of 7 billion people, their pets and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A FUTURE THAT CANNOT NOW BE STOPPED</p>
<p>This analysis examines the reasons, and estimates a timetable. We know the facts, but how to get them to people’s attention? The UN leader Ban Ki-moon has warned that many of the more distant scenarios are “happening now”. The gaseous emissions of 7 billion people, their pets and their livestock, are responsible for 23 percent of all GH emissions. Add to this the emissions from growing and distributing their food, and we can see that just being alive without any other input creates almost half of all emissions.</p>
<p>Therefore there is nothing we can do to stop 5oC or more. A National Risk Assessment Council is needed to prepare citizens for the changes that are coming.</p>
<p>Then Australians may alter their private and commercial lives with some confidence that we may be able to preserve something of civilisation in at least one part of the world. Perhaps, were we to break the process into small increments we may see it differently.</p>
<p> Lets assume that rising temperature follows a regular trajectory, and lets assume that there is a one-to-one correlation between temperature rise and its consequences. Such a regular trajectory is unlikely as the combination of growing C02-e, carbon and ice-melt feedbacks, solar cycles and stronger El Niño may join with extreme weather events and global tipping points to speed up this process. Though we don’t understand many of the complexities, the simplicity of this calculation has a lot to recommend it.</p>
<p> With steady linear growth the earth will be heated to 1oC by 2012, and to 2oC by 2030. Paleoclimatic evidence shows that for every 1oC rise we should expect a minimum 4-metre rise in sea levels. We have just calculated that by 2030 the conditions will be in place to guarantee a minimal 8-metre sea level rise. With the usual inertial delays of thirty years or so built into the earth&#8217;s system, and applying a regular trajectory for sea levels as we did with temperature, we could be looking at 50cm rise within a decade and a full metre during the next.</p>
<p>During this time large areas of agricultural land will be gradually flooded, in Egypt, Bangladesh, northern China and the Philippines. Florida, Boston and London will be badly affected, as will Melbourne and much of our coastline. Food production will be lessened as the Himalayan glaciers melt, there will be a lot less to fish and land will be lost to drought and sea. In the same period global population will rise by one billion, most living in cities.</p>
<p> This is a recipe for catastrophe if we dont prepare. We are fully aware of the refugee crisis that would follow such sea-level rise, and the likelihood that there wuld be war. However we vary the parameters, this process shows we have run out of time and should prepare now for what cannot be prevented if we wish to preserve a planet similar to that on which civilisation developed and to which life on earth is adapted. A National Risk Assessment Council is needed to prepare citizens for the changes that are coming.</p>
<p><strong>It is needed now</strong>.</p>
<p><a href="http://planetextinction.com">http://planetextinction.com</a></p>
<p>Excerpt from latest news letter</p>
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		<title>Increased Seismic Activity</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 11:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>maninmirror</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Climate Change]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[John 16:13  Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. A few months ago I had an impression that if  Climate change is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>John 16:13  Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.</p></blockquote>
<p>A few months ago I had an impression that if  Climate change is warming the planet, then the inside must be getting hotter as well. It reminded me of boiling an egg , what was once inside the shell in a liquid form now became solid.  The Earth at present is suffering what I would metaphorical call a boiled egg syndrome.</p>
<p>Yesterday the local TV news mentioned that a volcano in the galapgos islands was erupting , this linked with the recent quakes in Italy reminded of  my boiled egg syndrome,</p>
<p>Today I found proof of what intuition had shown me. The link below is to a article posted some time back on CBS News.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Unless the problem of global warming (the problem of persistent thermal imbalance of Earth) is addressed urgently and comprehensively &#8211; the rapid increase in global seismic, volcanic and tectonic activity is certain. Consequences of inaction can only be catastrophic. There is no time for half-measures.&#8221; <!-- sphereit end--><br style="clear: both;" /></p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/18/tech/main4191556.shtml">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/18/tech/main4191556.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>The Effects of Climate Change</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 06:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>maninmirror</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Planet belongs to the Body of Christ and we are responsible for it. Ge 1:28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>The Planet belongs to the Body of Christ and we are responsible for it.</h3>
<blockquote><p>Ge 1:28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Ps 8:4  What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.   Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:  All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;   The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.   O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!</p></blockquote>
<p>The modern Church is fast adopting an unsustainable lifestyle, with its accent on materialism at the expense of the environment.  This distinction between the first world of oppulence and the third world eeking out an existence, is  soon forgotten. Yet everything we consume requires the effort of others. The denuding of  forests and jungles for our ease and comfort is turning into a judgement, due to our neglect of the environment.</p>
<p>Sometimes I wonder if  the modern preachers who are so busy gathering greenbacks in large cities all over the world , to buy fancy motor cars and  aeroplanes , and even huge auditoriums even think of the cost to the planet.</p>
<p>The next generation if they still have some forests and wildlife instead of TV sets and all the modern paraphanalia available to them will condemn the greed and expensive lifestyles that are being advocated today.</p>
<p>What will it take to  arouse them from the folly of oppulence at the expence of everthing else?   Sterile megacities filled with tar and concrete cannot sustain themselves without  those who supply the produce and the meats that adorn their tables.</p>
<blockquote><p>Jer 18:18  Then said they, Come, and let us devise devices against Jeremiah; for the law shall not perish from the priest, nor counsel from the wise, nor the word from the prophet. Come, and let us smite him with the tongue, and let us not give heed to any of his words.</p></blockquote>
<p>If we close our ears to the warnings of others , we become blind guides leading the blind.</p>
<blockquote><p>Re 3:19  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.</p></blockquote>
<p>Attached is another article <a href="http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/the-effects-of-climate-change.pdf">the-effects-of-climate-change</a> , which you need to read , if you have any concern and love  for neighbours , friends and relatives.  Just click on the  underlined link  ,save the file  and email it to others or post it on your websites.</p>
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		<title>Climate Change Ethics by John James</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>maninmirror</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ Summary:  Calculations show that dangerous levels of global warming cannot now be avoided. The life-style changes needed internationally are so wide-reaching that effective and immediate action is unlikely. As Australia is one of the few countries that can survive, we should prepare now for the inevitable. Ethical issues will distort our responses for years to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><strong><span style="font-size: small;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">Summary:</span></strong></span></strong><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></div>
<p><em><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman,Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman,Times New Roman;">Calculations show that dangerous levels of global warming cannot now be avoided. The life-style changes needed internationally are so wide-reaching that effective and immediate action is unlikely. As Australia is one of the few countries that can survive, we should prepare now for the inevitable. Ethical issues will distort our responses for years to come if we fail to address them now. </span></span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman,Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman,Times New Roman;">Click on the Link  below  to view the PDF  containing the full Article</span></span></em></p>
<p>                                     <a href="http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/climate-ethics1.pdf">climate-ethics1</a></p>
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