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		<title>Comment on Why did God not intervene? by Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All events are under the control of Providence; consequently all the trials of our outward life are traceable at once to the great First Cause. Out of the golden gate of God&#039;s ordinance the armies of trial march forth in array, clad in their iron armour, and armed with weapons of war. All providences are doors to trial. Even our mercies, like roses, have their thorns. Men may be drowned in seas of prosperity as well as in rivers of affliction. Our mountains are not too high, and our valleys are not too low for temptations: trials lurk on all roads. Everywhere, above and beneath, we are beset and surrounded with dangers. Yet no shower falls unpermitted from the threatening cloud; every drop has its order ere it hastens to the earth. The trials which come from God are sent to prove and strengthen our graces, and so at once to illustrate the power of divine grace, to test the genuineness of our virtues, and to add to their energy. Our Lord in His infinite wisdom and superabundant love, sets so high a value upon His people&#039;s faith that He will not screen them from those trials by which faith is strengthened. You would never have possessed the precious faith which now supports you if the trial of your faith had not been like unto fire. You are a tree that never would have rooted so well if the wind had not rocked you to and fro, and made you take firm hold upon the precious truths of the covenant grace. Worldly ease is a great foe to faith; it loosens the joints of holy valour, and snaps the sinews of sacred courage. The balloon never rises until the cords are cut; affliction doth this sharp service for believing souls. While the wheat sleeps comfortably in the husk it is useless to man, it must be threshed out of its resting place before its value can be known. Thus it is well that Jehovah trieth the righteous, for it causeth them to grow rich towards God. (C H Spurgeon Daily Devotional)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All events are under the control of Providence; consequently all the trials of our outward life are traceable at once to the great First Cause. Out of the golden gate of God&#8217;s ordinance the armies of trial march forth in array, clad in their iron armour, and armed with weapons of war. All providences are doors to trial. Even our mercies, like roses, have their thorns. Men may be drowned in seas of prosperity as well as in rivers of affliction. Our mountains are not too high, and our valleys are not too low for temptations: trials lurk on all roads. Everywhere, above and beneath, we are beset and surrounded with dangers. Yet no shower falls unpermitted from the threatening cloud; every drop has its order ere it hastens to the earth. The trials which come from God are sent to prove and strengthen our graces, and so at once to illustrate the power of divine grace, to test the genuineness of our virtues, and to add to their energy. Our Lord in His infinite wisdom and superabundant love, sets so high a value upon His people&#8217;s faith that He will not screen them from those trials by which faith is strengthened. You would never have possessed the precious faith which now supports you if the trial of your faith had not been like unto fire. You are a tree that never would have rooted so well if the wind had not rocked you to and fro, and made you take firm hold upon the precious truths of the covenant grace. Worldly ease is a great foe to faith; it loosens the joints of holy valour, and snaps the sinews of sacred courage. The balloon never rises until the cords are cut; affliction doth this sharp service for believing souls. While the wheat sleeps comfortably in the husk it is useless to man, it must be threshed out of its resting place before its value can be known. Thus it is well that Jehovah trieth the righteous, for it causeth them to grow rich towards God. (C H Spurgeon Daily Devotional)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome to this Christian Debating  Forum. by Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - I&#039;m trying to get a South African prayer circle website going - please would you come and have a look? If you&#039;d like the members of the site to add you to their prayers, just submit a request.
www.prayforsa.co.za</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; I&#8217;m trying to get a South African prayer circle website going &#8211; please would you come and have a look? If you&#8217;d like the members of the site to add you to their prayers, just submit a request.<br />
<a href="http://www.prayforsa.co.za" rel="nofollow">http://www.prayforsa.co.za</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on PotjieKos Competition by maninmirror</title>
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		<dc:creator>maninmirror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 16:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our Local Church is once again holding  its annual potjie competion on the 1/8/2010 come and support us or contact the church to enter.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Animal Sacrifice ? by maninmirror</title>
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		<dc:creator>maninmirror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The atoning work is done,
The Victim’s blood is shed;
And Jesus now is gone
His people’s cause to plead:
He stands in Heaven their great High Priest,
And bears their names upon His breast.

He sprinkles with His blood
The mercy-seat above;
For justice had withstood
The purposes of love:
But justice now objects no more,
And mercy yields her boundless store.

No temple made with hands
His place of service is;
In Heaven itself He stands,
A heavenly priesthood His:
In Him the shadows of the law
Are all fulfilled, and now withdraw.

And though awhile He be
Hid from the eyes of men,
His people look to see
Their great High Priest again:
In brightest glory He will come,
And take His waiting people home.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The atoning work is done,<br />
The Victim’s blood is shed;<br />
And Jesus now is gone<br />
His people’s cause to plead:<br />
He stands in Heaven their great High Priest,<br />
And bears their names upon His breast.</p>
<p>He sprinkles with His blood<br />
The mercy-seat above;<br />
For justice had withstood<br />
The purposes of love:<br />
But justice now objects no more,<br />
And mercy yields her boundless store.</p>
<p>No temple made with hands<br />
His place of service is;<br />
In Heaven itself He stands,<br />
A heavenly priesthood His:<br />
In Him the shadows of the law<br />
Are all fulfilled, and now withdraw.</p>
<p>And though awhile He be<br />
Hid from the eyes of men,<br />
His people look to see<br />
Their great High Priest again:<br />
In brightest glory He will come,<br />
And take His waiting people home.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Flood Localised or Global ? by Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not only Dinosaurs that are a problem, its the Insects, the birds, and the differing animal species that are a problem.

The earth at one time was a super continent and over a vary long period of time it became seperated into the continents and islands as we see today.

The division of the land in the days of Peleg as an answer to this problem is highly improbable. In my mind it refers to middle east when God gave the Patriarchs a portion of it.

De 32:8  When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

Ge 10:25  And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth(Hebrew meaning is also the Land) divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan.

Because of the symbiotic relationships between the plant life and the insect kingdom a global flood would totally destroy this.

Australia specifically has animals that are not found anywhere else.

This is one of the reasons I prefer a localised flood to a global catastrophy.

Religion ,reason and rationality cannot be totally divorced.

The periods of time in the Genesis account of the creation are not six 24 hour days. As they could not be measured until the fourth day,


Gen 1:14 ¶  And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15  And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16  And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17  And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18  And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19  And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Also if you examine the account you will notice that the plant life which is also affected by seasonality, take time to grow and reproduce themselves. Insects like bees and butterflies also affect this process and assist the plants by polinating them.

Science and blind religion are divorced through fundamentalism, when they should be reconciled.

Bear in mind that a flood that lasted aproximately a year would create a mass extinction event,every plant and  insect would die. Localised the extinction would be contained whereas a recovery from a global flood within Noahs Family lifespans would be highly unlikely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not only Dinosaurs that are a problem, its the Insects, the birds, and the differing animal species that are a problem.</p>
<p>The earth at one time was a super continent and over a vary long period of time it became seperated into the continents and islands as we see today.</p>
<p>The division of the land in the days of Peleg as an answer to this problem is highly improbable. In my mind it refers to middle east when God gave the Patriarchs a portion of it.</p>
<p>De 32:8  When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.</p>
<p>Ge 10:25  And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth(Hebrew meaning is also the Land) divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan.</p>
<p>Because of the symbiotic relationships between the plant life and the insect kingdom a global flood would totally destroy this.</p>
<p>Australia specifically has animals that are not found anywhere else.</p>
<p>This is one of the reasons I prefer a localised flood to a global catastrophy.</p>
<p>Religion ,reason and rationality cannot be totally divorced.</p>
<p>The periods of time in the Genesis account of the creation are not six 24 hour days. As they could not be measured until the fourth day,</p>
<p>Gen 1:14 ¶  And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:<br />
15  And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.<br />
16  And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.<br />
17  And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,<br />
18  And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.<br />
19  And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.</p>
<p>Also if you examine the account you will notice that the plant life which is also affected by seasonality, take time to grow and reproduce themselves. Insects like bees and butterflies also affect this process and assist the plants by polinating them.</p>
<p>Science and blind religion are divorced through fundamentalism, when they should be reconciled.</p>
<p>Bear in mind that a flood that lasted aproximately a year would create a mass extinction event,every plant and  insect would die. Localised the extinction would be contained whereas a recovery from a global flood within Noahs Family lifespans would be highly unlikely.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Visions of  Siener by George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 12:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can either phone Vaandel Publishers at
044 –67907280, or fax them at 044 – 6907704 and request a copy of “WORDS OF A PROPHET” by Adriaan Snyman. If, by some remote chance, you are living in the region of Mossel Bay (Cape) then perhaps you can find out where the bookstore is and buy it directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can either phone Vaandel Publishers at<br />
044 –67907280, or fax them at 044 – 6907704 and request a copy of “WORDS OF A PROPHET” by Adriaan Snyman. If, by some remote chance, you are living in the region of Mossel Bay (Cape) then perhaps you can find out where the bookstore is and buy it directly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Visions of  Siener by maninmirror</title>
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		<dc:creator>maninmirror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 19:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the Light of the recent volcanic activity in the artic, with the closure of european airports due to the ash clouds she may have seen the future. We will wait and see if the cloud extends all the way to India and the other countries as well. I removed the link to the website as I have made it a rule , because others have abused this in the past with links to all sorts of undesirable material.  If you want to visit the site look up the name in google. There are english translations of the text in Afrikaans on the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Light of the recent volcanic activity in the artic, with the closure of european airports due to the ash clouds she may have seen the future. We will wait and see if the cloud extends all the way to India and the other countries as well. I removed the link to the website as I have made it a rule , because others have abused this in the past with links to all sorts of undesirable material.  If you want to visit the site look up the name in google. There are english translations of the text in Afrikaans on the site.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Visions of  Siener by Andre</title>
		<link>http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/2009/01/11/the-visions-of-siener/comment-page-1/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 23:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lady, Judith de Beer, in SA had the following dictation from Jesus Himself written amongs many others. These are from the same Giver of Siener&#039;s visions and will surely add clarity to his visions which seems to give cause to many speculations. Note the date she received this:

Openbaring 69   Die visioen oor die wolkbank.
5 Augustus 2007 13:00

Kyk, `n baie dik donker wolkbank, een soos wat die wêreld nog nooit gesien het nie, is besig om saam te pak en dit sal `n ongekende duisternis en rou oor `n groot deel van die Aarde bring. 
Sy omvang sal strek vanaf die hele groot Britannia, asook Ierland, vanwaar dit al hoe wyer oor die Atlantiese oseaan sal saampak, om die grootste gedeelte van Noord-Amerika, wat die hele Kanada insluit, te oordek. 
Van hier sal dit verder oor die groot oseaan strek, om oor die Filippynse eilande te gaan. 
Hierdie swart wolkmassa sal nog verder verdig, om oor Korea tot onder in Viëtnam en Thailand te gaan. 
Eers in Indië sal hierdie wolkbank sy einde vind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lady, Judith de Beer, in SA had the following dictation from Jesus Himself written amongs many others. These are from the same Giver of Siener&#8217;s visions and will surely add clarity to his visions which seems to give cause to many speculations. Note the date she received this:</p>
<p>Openbaring 69   Die visioen oor die wolkbank.<br />
5 Augustus 2007 13:00</p>
<p>Kyk, `n baie dik donker wolkbank, een soos wat die wêreld nog nooit gesien het nie, is besig om saam te pak en dit sal `n ongekende duisternis en rou oor `n groot deel van die Aarde bring.<br />
Sy omvang sal strek vanaf die hele groot Britannia, asook Ierland, vanwaar dit al hoe wyer oor die Atlantiese oseaan sal saampak, om die grootste gedeelte van Noord-Amerika, wat die hele Kanada insluit, te oordek.<br />
Van hier sal dit verder oor die groot oseaan strek, om oor die Filippynse eilande te gaan.<br />
Hierdie swart wolkmassa sal nog verder verdig, om oor Korea tot onder in Viëtnam en Thailand te gaan.<br />
Eers in Indië sal hierdie wolkbank sy einde vind.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Alternative History of Europe by Alysha Langbehn</title>
		<link>http://cceministry.have2need.com/wpdebates/2009/01/14/an-alternative-history-of-europe/comment-page-1/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>Alysha Langbehn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 19:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the read, I stand impressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the read, I stand impressed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Visions of  Siener by Brattie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great info,where can we get more info bout his visions 4 the future in rsa.thanxs,keep it up would  like more on rsa visions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great info,where can we get more info bout his visions 4 the future in rsa.thanxs,keep it up would  like more on rsa visions</p>
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